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Subject: Re: Message to JMS about ASM #511 Date: 30 Aug 2004 06:26:27 GMT From: jmsatb5@aol.com (Jms at B5) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe >When you start mentioning being published in Comicology and having once >worked for DC Comics, I wonder if you could be also considered a comics >professional, or if you see yourself as such. If you do see yourself as a >comics professional, I wonder why it is okay for you to personally attack >JMS, but you do not concede that he is can do likewise. > >I am also unsure why he is not allowed to make a personal critique of your >site when you are allowed to make a personal critique of his writing. Because that's the way the game is played. Here's the thrust of it, and the same thing happens every time. If you want, you can clip this to your monitor and check it against all internet/usenet flame wars. Person A makes a negative assertion, and some of his/her pals jump in and enjoy the slagging. Person B comes in and protests. Persons A, C and onlooker D yell and scream that they have a right to say anything they want. Person B makes the same claim. Persons E, F and G join in supporting this. Persons A, C and D, feeling attacked, accuse B of having a thin skin, and E, F, and G as being sycophants. Person B makes the point that A, C and D are reacting to B's criticism in a way that can be considered even more thin-skinned...that if you criticize the criticizers, they go insane with rage and begin using invective and personal slagging and profanity. Now that the conversation has become about the conversation, it can never end. And this is where the thing degenerates to a point where there's no longer a point in carrying it on, because it becomes about who-shot-John and discussions *about* the discussion, rather than the subject that started it. For the record, and as a reminder, this began at two points: 1) After responding politely and frequently, without once resorting to insults of the kind that I've received, I posted a somewhat frustrated but nonetheless humorous note that tweaked the person who I (and the majority of other posters) felt simply didn't understand the subejct he was criticizing. 2) I asked who the person was who had a site called Comics Worth Reading on the theory that, well, one should *know*, shouldn't one? Aside from that one humorous tweaking message, I have not fallen back on the kind of cursing and invective that has been hurled at me personally. I've been called every foul name in the book, hammered for being "thin-skinned" when it's those who can't take the heat when you address their own statements who are the ones doing the flaming...using mean, vicious, foul-mouthed attacks on me personally, not the discussion, which I've tried to keep on target, but at me personally. And now the discussion has become *about* the discussion...and at this point, there's simply no point in continuing it. I'm not going away, just stopping my part of this discussion because there's just no point in it...so anybody wants to slag away, feel free. But absent one humorous message, I defy ANYONE on this board to find one message that I've posted in this thread that has come within a tenth of the viciousness and mean-spiritedness that has come back in my direction for daring to challenge the opinions of a few...and then tell me who has the thin skin here. Make no mistake: it was not me who turned this thread toxic. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Not playing the victim here, just stating the verifiable facts. Which was where this started in the first place, and constitues an equally valid place to end it. jms (jmsatb5@aol.com) (all message content (c) 2004 by synthetic worlds, ltd., permission to reprint specifically denied to SFX Magazine and don't send me story ideas)