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Subject: Re: OT and politics: Getting back to Aisling on MM Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:03:11 +0000 (UTC) From: jmsatb5@aol.com (Jms at B5) Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated >But if you're going to argue for the value of dissent, then tolerance has to >be equilateral. The alternative is the hypocrisy of "tolerating" those >whose dissent you already agree with and rejecting dissent from those that >you don't. There's a misperception about how such arguments should be phrased in the popular media, however. The problem is the attempt to create tolerance through supposed balance...and they're not the same thing. One person gave a great example...if Bush said the world was flat, the papers would rush out and get other opinions, then run articles entitled "Bush, Democrats Differ On Shape of World." It's balance of a point of view, but it's not an accurate portrayal of the facts. I've seen Moore's film, and my sense of it is this: about 70% of the film consist of very solid and well-researched facts that have been reported and confirmed by a variety of respected sources, then further vetted by a battery of attorneys. The remaining 30% is the analysis of those facts. You may or may not agree with some of those analyses. But the facts themselves are damning enough. That 70% is one hell of a 70%. And I'm sorry, but to argue about the merits about Moore's film without bothering to see it is about as asinine and ignorant as anything I've ever seen. You can't just cite his "prose" in an ambiguous way and come to conclusions about something you haven't deigned to see. As Harlan says, you're not entitled to your opinion...you're entitled to your INFORMED opinion. If you haven't bothered to be informed about something, to be properly educated -- in this case by seeing the thing you're discussing -- then sorry, but your opinion is less than worthless. It may serve for your amusement, but that's all. There's the story of a group of philosophers who were sitting around debating how many teeth were in the mouth of a donkey. A kid sitting nearby suggested they simply go out and count the teeth. They booted him out and went back to speculating in a vacuum because somehow that was purer. But history has shown who was truly the ass in that discussion. jms (jmsatb5@aol.com) (all message content (c) 2004 by synthetic worlds, ltd., permission to reprint specifically denied to SFX Magazine and don't send me story ideas)