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Subject: Re: And So It Begins... Date: 28 Mar 2003 08:06:40 GMT From: jmsatb5@aol.com (Jms at B5) Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated In all the tossing around of facts concerning the Iraq war, there are some that keep being forgotten. Yes, Saddam is a thug, and his country would likely (though not provably) be improved by his removal. That's not contested. But there are any other number of countries about which the same thing could be said. Now having pointed out that... 1) There has never been one shred of evidence connecting Saddam to 9/11. Not one. The CIA made a point of saying this, even Bush has never said anything to the contrary. There are far more threads connecting Saudia Arabia to 9/11 than Iraq, but we are not going after them. 2) The use of gas against his own people, a hideous act by anyone's measure (and similar acts have been done by other leaders in other countries against their own people), but after it happened 13 years ago, Rumsfeld, under Bush Senior, went to Iraq with $1.2 billion additional aid to support the regime. If it was okay then for our administration, under one Bush, to have it suddenly being the reason for this action under the second Bush seems to be rather arbitrary. 3) The CIA's assessment of Iraq's capabilities, in published reports, has indicated very clearly that Iraq (which has never directly threatened the US, unlike North Korea) would almost certainly NOT attack the US unless it were backed into a corner by invasion. 4) Those who compare Iraq with WW2 Germany ignore the basic historical facts at stake: Europe sat back and did little during the time when Germany was building the mightiest war machine in human history, tens of thousands of tanks, planes, cannons, on and on. But Iraq has only a quarter or so of what was once its military, and as we see now nightly on the news, their soldiers are poorly equipped and barely fed. Not one single Iraqi plane has been launched in response to the invasion. We basically pulverize their cities with absolute impunity. We'll spend $400 billion this year on the military, Iraq generally spends about $1.4 billion. So the situations between Germany and Iraq are simply not comparable at any two contiguous points. 5) If there were WMD present in Iraq, they're certainly taking their time using them in defense against a force set out to level their cities and depose their rulers. Which only serves to reinforce the prospect that such weapons are not there in any useable fashion. It seems to me that we're attacking Iraq because we know they *don't* have the weapons to oppose us, and *not* attacking North Korea because we know they *do* have the weapons that could stop us. Bush Sr., when asked why he stopped Gulf War I prior to taking down Saddam and going into Baghdad, said "It would turn the entire Arab world against us." If that were true then, why is it not true now? The policy of containment and isolation has worked for these many years, there was no apparent need for invasion except for the purposes the Adminisration seems to have in its back pocket, a desire to control a massive oil reserve and re-draw the map of the middle east in ways that will serve better American interests. Bottom line...was it worth all this to achieve the goal? Seventy-four billion dollars, hundreds of lives, the wrath of the huge sections of the Arab world who now believe we are what people have -- wrongly, until now -- said we were, a force for colonization and invasion, in this case into a country that we will have to occupy and run for years (according to the latest estimates from the administration), causing destabalization across the whole region? Was this one man worth all this, when there was so little imminent or plausible threat? I think history will say the answer to that question is no. jms (jmsatb5@aol.com) (all message content (c) 2003 by synthetic worlds, ltd., permission to reprint specifically denied to SFX Magazine and don't send me story ideas)